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Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:15 am
by BaronVonWreckedoften
levied troop wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:55 pm
If anyone has suitable recipes for ‘Hodden gray’ I’m all ears.
You might find a paintbrush more useful.
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:26 pm
by bangorstu
IIRC the Covenanter and Montrose Pike and Shot units were indistinguishable - so much so one of Montrose's regiments actually thought they were fighting on the other side for one battle. They deserted to the government immediately after the battle, murdering their duplicitous Colonel in the process...
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:44 pm
by ochoin
bangorstu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:26 pm
IIRC the Covenanter and Montrose Pike and Shot units were indistinguishable -
I wouldn't dispute this but for the sake of wargaming convention, our Montrose P&S feature some tartan.
This helps distinguish who's who for our convenience & does, perhaps, mirror a more Highland origin of the Graham's forces.
BTW as the flags each side carried were quite distinctive, would this have helped identify who you should be shooting at, at least to a degree?
donald
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:50 pm
by bangorstu
I would guess the issue was either lack of knowledge of whose the flags were, trust in the colonel or simply a lot of smoke...or of course a neat story told by a unit making a smart decision about the ultimate victor!
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:01 pm
by BaronVonWreckedoften
ochoin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:44 pm
BTW as the flags each side carried were quite distinctive, would this have helped identify who you should be shooting at, at least to a degree?
Saltires (at least the full field ones) generally denoted Covenanters. Cavalry was a bit more of a lottery, but since shouting "Boo!" very loudly at either side's horse generally saw them scurrying for safety, it was not usually a problem.
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:25 pm
by FreddBloggs
Am I imagining it, but were there border lancers involved?
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:23 pm
by BaronVonWreckedoften
Yes, a number of Covenanter horse regiments had a front rank of lancers, and a rear rank of pistoleers (although having pistoleers must have made it difficult to get their helmets on).
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:00 pm
by Essex Boy
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:28 pm
by ochoin
bangorstu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:50 pm
I would guess the issue was either lack of knowledge of whose the flags were, trust in the colonel or simply a lot of smoke...or of course a neat story told by a unit making a smart decision about the ultimate victor!
We use the serviceable but perhaps a little dull Field of Glory rule set for our ECW games.
To give them some spark, I've made Event Cards: a popular favourite of which is "FAITHFULL FORTESCUE CHANGES SIDES; expecting treachery, one of your opponent's units (your choice) will fire upon the nearest unit of their own side."
Always good for a laugh.
donald
Re: Covenantors and Montrose troops
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:11 am
by grizzlymc
BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:23 pm
Yes, a number of Covenanter horse regiments had a front rank of lancers, and a rear rank of pistoleers (although having pistoleers must have made it difficult to get their helmets on).
I'd find it difficult to keep my attention on my front if I knew that my second rank was armed to the teeth with smoothbore pistols.