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Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:16 pm
by Wg Cdr Luddite
Etranger wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:30 pm
Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:12 pm
The 6? underlined on the 2nd carrier indicates an Army level unit ?
Possibly a machine gun battalion? AOS 64 IIRC
Now if it is 60, 61 or 62 I am thinking an Independant Infantry Brigade such as 56th Brigade.
We've all seen Mark Bevis' superb markings website haven't we ?
https://tank-markings.blogspot.com/
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:14 pm
by Etranger
The white/light coloured stripe on the carrier is hard to see, but I can just see it when I blow up the IWM original picture. It doesn't show up on the reproduced copy above.
They are sporting an awful lot of machine guns guns between them, aren't they?
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:22 am
by RMD
Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:16 pm
Etranger wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:30 pm
Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:12 pm
The 6? underlined on the 2nd carrier indicates an Army level unit ?
Possibly a machine gun battalion? AOS 64 IIRC
Now if it is 60, 61 or 62 I am thinking an Independant Infantry Brigade such as 56th Brigade.
We've all seen Mark Bevis' superb markings website haven't we ?
https://tank-markings.blogspot.com/
The Lorried Infantry Brigade of an Armoured Division used 60-63 as its serials (on a green square), so it could be one of those. The Divisional MG company used 64 on a black square, so that could be it; perhaps an OP party for the 4.2-inch Mortar Platoon? MG Battalions belonging to Infantry Divisions also used 64 on black.
Yes, that's an excellent site.
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:11 am
by Etranger
SquireBev asks me to point out that he is
not Mark Bevis!, although given the tag some confusion is understandable. Squirebev's site is indeed superb and one to which Mark (RMD) has made a considerable contribution.
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:51 am
by SquireBev
Thank you Etranger for the clarification, RMD for the contributions over the last 12 months, and Wg Cpr Luddite for the kind words!
Regarding the mystery Carrier with the 6X AoS, the positioning of the 6 suggests to me that the second digit has to be a 1, as there wouldn't be room for anything wider. Just a thought.
As for the Sherman behind it. The battery marking above the AoS appears to have the lower-left quadrant coloured, and what looks like RE or RF
Suggesting the Troop commander of E or F troop, I believe?
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:09 pm
by Wg Cdr Luddite
I suppose we could stick the link on WW2 talk for further opinions
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:19 pm
by RMD
SquireBev wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:51 am
Thank you Etranger for the clarification, RMD for the contributions over the last 12 months, and Wg Cpr Luddite for the kind words!
Regarding the mystery Carrier with the 6X AoS, the positioning of the 6 suggests to me that the second digit has to be a 1, as there wouldn't be room for anything wider. Just a thought.
As for the Sherman behind it. The battery marking above the AoS appears to have the lower-left quadrant coloured, and what looks like RE or RF
Suggesting the Troop commander of E or F troop, I believe?
I clearly need a different monitor...
Yes, E or F Troops would fit with the 3rd Battery (lower left quadrant).
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:55 am
by grizzlymc
Yes, I remember F troop had the motif on their horses.
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:41 pm
by Wg Cdr Luddite
I think those fancy, over-complicated AoS markings of the Royal Artillery were actually a substitute for the fact that they couldn't brand horses anymore.
Re: Obscure WWII questions for RMD.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:59 pm
by FreddBloggs
Nooo, it is a throwback to why orders are never actually obeyed in the british Army.
The Infantry do not understand their orders.
the Cavalry ignore their orders.
The Artillery make their own arrangements.