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RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:58 pm

DavidNBA wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 9:20 pm Wonderful units! Wish I had the time and energy to do some British cavalry standards - but hopefully I will eventually...

Cheers,

David.

Well you did the speculative guidons for the Legion Britannique; that's 99% of the work done for most of 'em!

As you've said though, it's a lot of work for something that's going to be absolutely microscopic on the table (unless you're doing 28mm or bigger).

I'd ask you to do a standard for the Groom of the Stool's Own, but of course, that would be ridiculous; everyone knows that they didn't have standards...

Yes, that's actually true about the guidons... Hmmmm. I have actually been pleasantly surprised that the cavalry standards generally look pretty good in use, even at relatively small sizes, very sceptical though I was at first.

Well, the Groom of the Stool's Own probably should have standards, don't you think? Do you have any ideas about what you might like to see, remembering that the usable area for distinctive motifs is pretty small in the centre of the standards? A depiction of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_ ... ca1650.jpg with suitable steam rising out of it might work.

Cheers,

David.

BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 1:08 pm

RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:58 pm I'd ask you to do a standard for the Groom of the Stool's Own, but of course, that would be ridiculous; everyone knows that they didn't have standards...

Thank you folks, and yes, he is here all week. We can't even give the bastard away......

Eyethangyew... Try the veal.

DavidNBA wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 1:27 pm

RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:58 pm

DavidNBA wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 9:20 pm Wonderful units! Wish I had the time and energy to do some British cavalry standards - but hopefully I will eventually...

Cheers,

David.

Well you did the speculative guidons for the Legion Britannique; that's 99% of the work done for most of 'em!

As you've said though, it's a lot of work for something that's going to be absolutely microscopic on the table (unless you're doing 28mm or bigger).

I'd ask you to do a standard for the Groom of the Stool's Own, but of course, that would be ridiculous; everyone knows that they didn't have standards...

Yes, that's actually true about the guidons... Hmmmm. I have actually been pleasantly surprised that the cavalry standards generally look pretty good in use, even at relatively small sizes, very sceptical though I was at first.

Well, the Groom of the Stool's Own probably should have standards, don't you think? Do you have any ideas about what you might like to see, remembering that the usable area for distinctive motifs is pretty small in the centre of the standards? A depiction of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_ ... ca1650.jpg with suitable steam rising out of it might work.

Cheers,

David.

Clearly they would need to have the Running Horse of Hanover in two of the corner medallions, but a grinning turd emoji in the opposing two medallions would be appropriate.

Of course there was also a French Groom of the Stool, so more possibilities to be found there. Given the performance of the French cavalry arm during the SYW, he would clearly have been given the colonelcy of a cavalry regiment.

La Regiment de Cavallerie de la Valet de Chambre (Dominique Guillaume Lebel):

Brown coats and horse furniture (obvs).
Facings and linings in Isabelline (the colour of Infanta Isabella of Spain's grundies at the end of the Siege of Ostend (1601-1604).
Metal colour gold (silver would tarnish too easily).
Royal Livery.
Standard in Isabelline. The obverse charged with the golden Royal Sun holding a nosegay, surrounded by slightly wilted fleur-de-lys. The reverse charged with the 'Pot de Chambre du Roi' in gold, with the king's prodigious turd slopping over the side (naturel).

The 1st Sanitary Troop of His Majesty's Lifeguards (Groom of the Stool's Own) (Rochford's) until 1760, then (Bute's):

Red coats (shown as brown in some sources - possibly 'campaign' wear?).
Facings, linings, small-clothes and horse-furniture in Isabelline.
Gold metal.
Livery lace white with brown central stripe.
Standard of the usual square pattern in crimson with gold embroidery and edging.
Guidon of Isabelline, with alternating gold and brown edging.

I'll give it some thought! Here's a central motif for the British version; the King's travelling commode, no frills or fripperies (or hard to clean fabric); just well varnished and easy to clean on campaign (not by the King himself, obviously; another job for the Groom).

This is getting very silly!

Cheers,

David.

DavidNBA wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:04 pm

I'll give it some thought! Here's a central motif for the British version; the King's travelling commode, no frills or fripperies (or hard to clean fabric); just well varnished and easy to clean on campaign (not by the King himself, obviously; another job for the Groom).

This is getting very silly!

Cheers,

David.

Brilliant!

Ha ha! Very silly indeed!

And here's a rough of the whole standard:

Excellent work, David. Fit for several of Mark's units.

BTW, there's a curlicue on the reverse, just the the upper left of the crown, that appears to be back to front. RMD would notice that.