The Loose Association of Wargamers

goat major wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:08 pm You should both get a signal box together

I'm not showing anyone my box.

Well not without the minimum of dinner, obviously.

Paul wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:15 pm

Penda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 pm

Paul wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:58 pm

I see you've had your sense of humour surgically removed.

Sorry, it wasn't aimed at you It was for WinCo. because for the majority of wargaming KS projects there is no gamble, the figures are already sculpted, quite often mastered and sometimes even ready to go.

I don't know why you are making such a big fuss out of this. For those of us who don't do KS the whole thing is a non-issue
.EDIT:
Apart from the mild amusement of watching middle-aged men leap aboard the hype train like impetuous teenagers.

Paul wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:15 pm

Penda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 pm

Paul wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:58 pm

I see you've had your sense of humour surgically removed.

Sorry, it wasn't aimed at you It was for WinCo. because for the majority of wargaming KS projects there is no gamble, the figures are already sculpted, quite often mastered and sometimes even ready to go.

What you're describing there is a 'shop'.

Not what it is, is a fast return allowing for quicker production and development.

valleyboy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:42 pm

Penda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:15 pm Although I'm clearly in the minority on this I've not actually read anything in the answers that would persuade me to a different stance. I doubt any of the Kickstarter products would be missed in our hobby if they'd not come to the market via others shouldering the risk. We wargamers are suckers for the new and shiny after all.

You've certainly hit the nail on the head here and I have no defence, which in essence is what is leading me to press the button on the Welsh Medieval Kickstarter

Is this designed to take them out of their current Dark Ages level of civilisation?

World2dave wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:29 pm

valleyboy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:42 pm

Penda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:15 pm Although I'm clearly in the minority on this I've not actually read anything in the answers that would persuade me to a different stance. I doubt any of the Kickstarter products would be missed in our hobby if they'd not come to the market via others shouldering the risk. We wargamers are suckers for the new and shiny after all.

You've certainly hit the nail on the head here and I have no defence, which in essence is what is leading me to press the button on the Welsh Medieval Kickstarter

Is this designed to take them out of their current Dark Ages level of civilisation?

That's racist!

We progressed to Black & White years ago...

Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:42 pm I don't know why you are making such a big fuss out of this. For those of us who don't do KS the whole thing is a non-issue

Nae big fuss, I just don't understand that what amounts to an advance order scheme from well established companies is seen as super risky whereas buying from webstores with a mandatory 28 days for delivery is not.
Internet rule 107, it's all virtual until it's in your hand!
(...and I pick and choose KS I back.....no jumping on Bandwagons here, hence why the Footsore Welsh one isn't for me).

Just thought about this one a bit more
I suppose the current Footsore one is more of a Pre-order rather than a kickstarter but I've decided to back it as I want to take my Baron;'s war into the Marches I think

Can't see I'd ever back anything dodgy but I have ordered from Blacktree design in the past and again just recently!

Though its not the proper way to do things does anybody see this as a means of a company testing the water as to the viability of a proposed range and minimising their risk by not getting it backed and so not proceeding? Do many fail to get going and do people get their pledges back?

Are there no circumstances that would induce you to back something RMD? Lets say that a reliable company like Eureka or AB were about to produce a particular group of figures you really wanted and say developed the 300 club further and that it was tied up with cash rather than just registering interest
Just wondering

valleyboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:41 pm Though its not the proper way to do things does anybody see this as a means of a company testing the water as to the viability of a proposed range and minimising their risk by not getting it backed and so not proceeding? Do many fail to get going and do people get their pledges back?

The Footsore Kickstarter already has the figures sculpted and the masters made. So that's the big chunk of expense already paid out. I think it's just a case of trying to create a buzz around the range as they've seen what the Kickstarter did for Warhosts Barons War stuff and how that became very popular.

If a project doesn't make it's funding level then no one pays anything. If it does and the company fails to deliver then it's a bit more fuzzy.
Part of the KS rules is that the company has to publically account for it's spending on the project if it fails and is required to keep backers informed. Of course some don't and that is where, from what i've seen, the internet springs into action and hounds the individuals in question.

Paul wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 pm

Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:42 pm I don't know why you are making such a big fuss out of this. For those of us who don't do KS the whole thing is a non-issue

Nae big fuss, I just don't understand that what amounts to an advance order scheme from well established companies is seen as super risky whereas buying from webstores with a mandatory 28 days for delivery is not.
Internet rule 107, it's all virtual until it's in your hand!
(...and I pick and choose KS I back.....no jumping on Bandwagons here, hence why the Footsore Welsh one isn't for me).

There's actually a massive difference within the UK. Under Distance Selling Regulations and the Sale of Goods Act, if you're buying a physical product you have legal protection and a guarantee under law to get your stuff within a reasonable amount of time or your cash back. There is no such legal protection for an investment such as KS.