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Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:46 pm
by Shahbahraz
FreddBloggs wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:06 pm
MacLeods on both sides, despicable behaviour, they normally left such shenanigans to the McGregors!
It was fairly common behaviour. Other than the Campbells, who had an uncanny knack for picking a winner, and ending up with additional lands and titles, a lot of Scottish lairds would have a bet each way in difficult times, with sons on both sides so the inheritance would be preserved somehow.
Up until the later James' the Scottish Crown tended to be weaker than in England, with regents, minor Kings, etc, so a lot of the history was of internecine strife with one lot of nobles fighting another, continuously. Add in that the king's writ rarely held much sway north of Perth, other than through a powerful lieutenant, plus the religious dimension post Reformation and you had a recipe for conflict.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:52 pm
by Shahbahraz
BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:39 pm
Shahbahraz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:38 pm
Unfortunately, once you start researching, you find more and more different types on the Jacobite side. Royal Ecossais, Bagots Hussars, Fitzjames' Horse, etc. I am going to keep it simple to start with though.
Well, if you're going to let all those foreigners join in, have a look at this, which I came across in completely unrelated research on the Clan MacLeod, who managed to be on both sides in the '45 (I'd never heard of Inverurie before, but it seems the sort of action that yours and LT's forces are ideal for):-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... rie_(1745)
I knew about Inverurie - just a small scale skirmish, though the Jacobites actions were quite sophisticated with the Royal Ecossais acting as a decoy. It certainly doesn't fit the usual image of Jacobite forces rushing onto Hanoverian muskets.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:53 pm
by Shahbahraz
On my workbench are sections of railway track & MDF bases I have cut into 30cm lengths for use in my CoC games. So now I am wondering what scale of railroad ballast to use.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:27 pm
by levied troop
BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:39 pm
Well, if you're going to let all those foreigners join in, have a look at this, which I came across in completely unrelated research on the Clan MacLeod, who managed to be on both sides in the '45 (I'd never heard of Inverurie before, but it seems the sort of action that yours and LT's forces are ideal for):-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... rie_(1745)
Interesting little action, ideal for Sharp Practice - thanks for that.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:30 pm
by FreddBloggs
Shahbahraz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:46 pm
FreddBloggs wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:06 pm
MacLeods on both sides, despicable behaviour, they normally left such shenanigans to the McGregors!
It was fairly common behaviour. Other than the Campbells, who had an uncanny knack for picking a winner, and ending up with additional lands and titles, a lot of Scottish lairds would have a bet each way in difficult times, with sons on both sides so the inheritance would be preserved somehow.
Up until the later James' the Scottish Crown tended to be weaker than in England, with regents, minor Kings, etc, so a lot of the history was of internecine strife with one lot of nobles fighting another, continuously. Add in that the king's writ rarely held much sway north of Perth, other than through a powerful lieutenant, plus the religious dimension post Reformation and you had a recipe for conflict.
James the 1st famously left scotland as fast as he could, and never went back!
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:58 pm
by Paul
Shahbahraz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:46 pm
It was fairly common behaviour.
When our old place was visited by the Government army the Old Baron stayed in his rooms and refused to come out. He ordered that he should be brought bread, meat and whisky on a daily basis.
In the interest of playing both sides though his wife allowed lodgings to the Government Officers.
The Menzies, down the road followed suit and did exactly the same
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:07 pm
by Paul
Shahbahraz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:38 pm
Unfortunately, once you start researching, you find more and more different types on the Jacobite side. Royal Ecossais, Bagots Hussars, Fitzjames' Horse, etc. I am going to keep it simple to start with though.
I did everything for the '45 in 10mm, even including non entities like the Manchester Rgt. It took me about 5 years to complete and I played the pricely total of 3 games with it before I moved it on about 10 years later!
If I were to do something 'Jacobite' again i'd probably go for 1689 or even 1715 as it's they're more interesting. Plus i'm sort of 'burnt out' with the '45 even buying one of the very few surviving copies of a book on the '45 written about ten years after it happened by someone who was there.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:12 pm
by BaronVonWreckedoften
Paul wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:58 pm
When our old place was visited by the Government army the Old Baron stayed in his rooms and refused to come out. He ordered that he should be brought bread, meat and whisky on a daily basis.
Lest anyone be in any doubt, he is NOT talking about me.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:20 pm
by Shahbahraz
The 1715 is definitely a very different set of campaigns. The '45 has an intriguing cast of characters though.
And the scale of the '45 definitely suits a skirmish style game. The larger battles tend to be decided by factors other than those reflected best on a tabletop in my view.
Re: What's on your workbench?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:26 pm
by levied troop
FreddBloggs wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:30 pm
James the 1st famously left scotland as fast as he could, and never went back!
I’m not sure James I ever left Scotland, but James VI certainly did.