grizzlymc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:54 pm
Did the CubAns have Floggers? Did they have all the fancy missiles or were they monkey models?
Indeed they did (flagged as Angolan). Curiously with regard to Angola the Soviets pulled out all the stops to supply some of the latest air defence kit to the Angolans and Cubans. The MiG-23ML Flogger was basically a second-generation version, with completely redesigned airframe and avionics to enable it to effectively dogfight as well as intercept. It was far better than any MiG-23 variant then in service with Soviet VPVO air defence forces. It also had first-rate missiles to match and it outclassed the Mirage III and F1 in all respects. Nevertheless, the better trained SAAF pilots did manage to out-manoeuvre the MiG-23s in most dogfights and got the most shots off, though were let down by their poor missiles. The Cubans lost two MiG-23MLs in Angola - one to a South African Ystervark (SP 20mm Oerlikon) and another to a UNITA Stinger MANPADS.
The Angolans and Cubans also got some of the latest SAMS and MANPADS the Soviets could supply, including SA-8 Gecko, SA-13 Gopher and SA-16 Gimlet, as well as the ZSU-23-4 'Shilka'. These were first-line bits of kit in the group of Soviet Forces Germany at the time and no monkey-models. As a consequence, NATO got its first good look at many of these systems after they were captured by UNITA (presumably in exchange for all the Stingers and MILANs that were sent to UNITA via Morocco).
On a similar vein, the Soviets also supplied them with Soviet-grade Mi-24 Hind-D and Hind-E as well as the monkey-model equivalents (Mi-25 and Mi-35).