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Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:16 pm
by Willz the Wargamer
Posted this question on Fife and drum forum.
I know buying items from America will cost UK buyers VAT + Post Office handing fee, now it seems the same thing is going to apply to buying items from Europe.
Some courier's appear to be charging are handling fee for items bought from Europe?
Having read various information briefing I am still non the wiser any help from our esteemed membership gratefully received.
If the case is we in the UK will have to pay 20% VAT + Post Office handing fee say 10% that increases the price of items by approximately 30%, that's one hell of an overnight increase on toy soldiers let alone French red wine
Willz.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:37 pm
by FreddBloggs
Post Office fee I believe is a fixed charge.
Yes, the delights of leaving the single market.
that is if you can find a eu seller shipping to the UK.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:41 pm
by FreddBloggs
And the delights of selling in the opposite direction explained here.
https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/sta ... 8662987777
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:34 pm
by Essex Boy
I confess that I struggled to comprehend the new arrangements for postal imports - because they seem rather unworkable, from HMRC's point of view.
This seems to be the situation from 1 January........
For imports with an intrinsic value of £135 or less, VAT will no longer be due at the point of entry. That is, the customer will no longer be required to pay VAT when they take delivery (presumably that also means no more handling fee). That's because the point at which the VAT becomes due is now at the point of sale. In other words, HMRC are requiring the overseas supplier to register for UK VAT and account for the tax at the UK rate.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. (sorry, couldn't help myself). Would you? Fred makes a good point.
In theory, the value upon which the customer pays VAT will be less than previously. That's because the value for VAT was previously calculated on goods + carriage + insurance. Now it's just goods.
The other thing to keep in mind is that most EU countries don't have the UK's generous VAT registration thresholds and it was likely that you were always being charged VAT at the seller's home county's VAT rate.
As for the Twitter rant. I'm struggling to think of how he could be charged to Chief, or any other government software. I'd take his comments with a pinch of salt.
Anyway. There's a lot more to it than I've mentioned, Duty for instance, but that's the best I can do. I hope I haven't misdirected anyone. I was pretty addled before I retired and four and a half years out of harness hasn't done my tax knowledge any favours.
Iain
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:38 pm
by Shahbahraz
I am just assuming that anything like Black Hussar is now unobtainable due to the hassle for EU suppliers shipping to the UK, they largely won't bother.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm
by Willz the Wargamer
Cheers for all your replies, all I want to do is but some figures from Wofun Miniatures but don't want to end up with an extra charge by no fault of mine or the seller.
Nothing like slowing down economic growth when one is required, I don't know will we all end up smuggling wargame figure down our pants when we visit Europe
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Willz.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:47 pm
by BaronVonWreckedoften
I formed the distinct impression that the "deal" that was negotiated at midnight minus 60 seconds, was that it was more-or-less business as usual (which made the Dutch customs confiscation of ham sandwiches made from pigs that had clearly been bred, raised, slaughtered and processed whilst we were still technically in the EU even harder to understand (or easier, depending on how cynical one's view of the EU is/was).
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:57 pm
by FreddBloggs
Essex Boy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:34 pm
I confess that I struggled to comprehend the new arrangements for postal imports - because they seem rather unworkable, from HMRC's point of view.
This seems to be the situation from 1 January........
For imports with an intrinsic value of £135 or less, VAT will no longer be due at the point of entry. That is, the customer will no longer be required to pay VAT when they take delivery (presumably that also means no more handling fee). That's because the point at which the VAT becomes due is now at the point of sale. In other words, HMRC are requiring the overseas supplier to register for UK VAT and account for the tax at the UK rate.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. (sorry, couldn't help myself). Would you? Fred makes a good point.
In theory, the value upon which the customer pays VAT will be less than previously. That's because the value for VAT was previously calculated on goods + carriage + insurance. Now it's just goods.
The other thing to keep in mind is that most EU countries don't have the UK's generous VAT registration thresholds and it was likely that you were always being charged VAT at the seller's home county's VAT rate.
As for the Twitter rant. I'm struggling to think of how he could be charged to Chief, or any other government software. I'd take his comments with a pinch of salt.
Anyway. There's a lot more to it than I've mentioned, Duty for instance, but that's the best I can do. I hope I haven't misdirected anyone. I was pretty addled before I retired and four and a half years out of harness hasn't done my tax knowledge any favours.
Iain
You do mot pay for chief, but it is so clumsy a software company has done an overlay to make it a lot easier to actually use. Time in this case being money.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:02 pm
by FreddBloggs
BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:47 pm
I formed the distinct impression that the "deal" that was negotiated at midnight minus 60 seconds, was that it was more-or-less business as usual (which made the Dutch customs confiscation of ham sandwiches made from pigs that had clearly been bred, raised, slaughtered and processed whilst we were still technically in the EU even harder to understand (or easier, depending on how cynical one's view of the EU is/was).
Tight restrictions on food imports are very common, try taking such a sarnie into Oz.
And as for ghe deal, it was oven ready, easiest deal in history, only take an afternoon 4 years ago.
So perhaps Tory brinkmanship and intransigence has made members of the EU less tolerant than otherwise would have been.
You want to assign blame, the 52% who voted for this event and the 50% of England that elected Johnson are to blame, not the EU.
Re: Deliveries from Europe to UK question to ponder
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:26 pm
by BaronVonWreckedoften
Yes, that's the trouble with democracy, sometimes the majority just doesn't do what the "intellectuals"
want it to, does it?