The Loose Association of Wargamers

Opinions? Who's buying, or pre-ordering?

I'm waiting to see the free ships in WI.

It looks good. I've always wanted to game the narrow seas since reading Douglas Reemans books some 35 years ago! Tempted but probably a game too far in my wargames neutral aims.

I will be a bit wary after Blood Red Skies which has just lost its steam. Interested in the subject but I suspect the format will tie you to using their ships just to get all the rules and stats. If I'm wrong then I'll be in like stink.

It's completely the wrong model size for coastal warfare. The models themselves, however, I have plans for.

Wg Cdr Luddite wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:34 pm It's completely the wrong model size for coastal warfare. The models themselves, however, I have plans for.

So many games are played in 'completely the wrong model size'. We're used to the compromise on ground/sea scale to figure size so that the game looks good. Naval warfare is always the trickiest one, even at 1/6000 you'd need a large room to play most battles with large spaces between the tiny ships.
I'm not sure of engagement ranges for the narrow seas so i'm not really sure whether 1/300 works for these battles.

Don’t really have an interest, or know much about it, but a common cause for concern I’ve heard is the size of ship on a 4x4 table. Might get a bit crowded

I have some interest in this, having recently bought the "Coastal Patrol" rules from TFL, been given some 1:700 ships by a chap in Japan, and then realised the bits are way too small and ordered some 1:600 stuff from P T Dockyard in the US and H&R in the UK (the finished model is not much bigger, but the bits are much less fiddly). The big hoo-haa prior to the rules actually being released is the photos of "games in progress" that look like FoW traffic jams with ships replacing tanks, and - as the Wingco rightly says - the scale is too big for the 4' x 3' game mat they provide with all the starter sets. You might get away with it for a small MTB/E-Boat skirmish, but anything bigger is going to need a ballroom floor. I'd say 1:600 is the minimum you need for a game where the two sides don't actually start right on top of each other - and even that is pushing it a bit.

There is a Facebook site if anyone wants to delve a little more deeply into it; the "starter set" (rules/mat/several MTBs and E-Boats/cards/counters/dice) seems quite good value at £50 - or £40 if you get it from Wayland Games.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/333100147261065/

I had wondered about using the TFL rules and the Hallmark 1/1200 models!

The problem with using 1:1200 models is that most coastal warfare vessels will be too small - an MTB will be about an inch long - to be able to pick out much detail (eg recognise specific weapons - which is a key part of the CP/TFL ruleset). Almost all of the people I know who have played CP have said 1:600 is the best scale, both in terms of identifiable models, and in terms of "ground scale" (they mainly use 8' x 6' mats).

BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:27 pm The problem with using 1:1200 models is that most coastal warfare vessels will be too small - an MTB will be about an inch long - to be able to pick out much detail (eg recognise specific weapons - which is a key part of the CP/TFL ruleset).

You mean you haven't memorised the ship data and silhouettes? :o