RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:17 pm
Something I've found curious about the Irish Rebellions is that the Welsh regiments (particularly the Pembrokeshire Fencibles and 'Ancient British' Fencibles) had an especially bad reputation for brutality and were absolutely hated by the locals. Yet when they went up to Scotland and especially Cumbria, the locals absolutely loved them and instances of civil disorder dropped to zero when they were garrisoned there, with thousands turning out to wave farewell when they marched out.
Yes, that always puzzled me as well, given that both regiments were - like many of the native Irish - not English-speaking for the most part. As I understand it, their misbehaviour began just prior to the Rebellion, so cannot be attributed to reprisals for the killing of prisoners by the Rebels. Pakenham in Year of Liberty makes the point that later arrivals of Regular troops were welcomed as the latter would escort surrendered Rebels home in order to protect them from being attacked by Loyalists and by Fencible units such as the Ancient Britons.
I wonder if it was a religious thing, rather than a "national" one, since both the Welsh and the Lowland Scots would have disliked Catholics?
Kein Plan überlebt den ersten Kontakt mit den Würfeln. (No plan survives the first contact with the dice.) Baron Mannshed von Wreckedoften, First Sea Lord of the Bavarian Admiralty.
Paul wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:11 pm
It's unlikely he'd have had sufficient support in London, when he entered, and unless the French arrived quickly with support (Not going to happen) then the Jacobites would have found themselves "fixed" in London and facing a vastly superior Government army when it arrived.
I think BPC never factored in the public view that he was coming to take the British throne, not just the Scottish one. After 30 years of relatively successful Hanoverian rule, few people in England were prepared to countenance a French puppet (whether real or merely perceived) on the throne. Clearing Government troops from Scotland was about as good as it was ever going to get for him.
Kein Plan überlebt den ersten Kontakt mit den Würfeln. (No plan survives the first contact with the dice.) Baron Mannshed von Wreckedoften, First Sea Lord of the Bavarian Admiralty.
BaronVonWreckedoften wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm
I wonder if it was a religious thing, rather than a "national" one, since both the Welsh and the Lowland Scots would have disliked Catholics?
Yes, that's my theory. Wales was in the throes of a huge wave of non-conformism at the time, which ironically was causing civil disorder and low-level insurrection... But bastards as the English were, at least they weren't Catholics... I think that also played a very large part in the quite astonishing reaction to the French landing of 1797.
Cumbria is an interesting one. There was a lot of civil disorder there during the time, yet it was a VERY popular posting for the Welsh Militia and Fencible regiments, as there were still the last vestiges of Welsh language and culture clinging on in that corner of England. Essentially hold-overs from the Romano-British 'Welsh' that are now long-gone.
RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 pm
But bastards as the English were, at least they weren't Catholics... I think that also played a very large part in the quite astonishing reaction to the French landing of 1797.
I work with a fella from Fishguard...I love that story!!! The French just stopped to get pissed didn't they? And then got chased off by some local fierce looking women?? Brilliant!!
RMD wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 pm
But bastards as the English were, at least they weren't Catholics... I think that also played a very large part in the quite astonishing reaction to the French landing of 1797.
I work with a fella from Fishguard...I love that story!!! The French just stopped to get pissed didn't they? And then got chased off by some local fierce looking women?? Brilliant!!
Here you go... Everything you wanted to know about the Battle of Fishguard but were afraid to ask...
Sadly all the local museums, council, schools, etc, prefer to push ridiculous fiction instead of actual history...
Buff Redux wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:30 am
Just paid for half a dozen green, three eyed aliens. After the addition of pipe cleaner tails and a repaint they will be 3 eyed space monkeys.
Didn't realise you were painting Napoleonics again :o
